tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post3816101401589275026..comments2024-03-17T09:17:01.454+00:00Comments on Vic the Vicar!: House for DutyVic Van Den Berghhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-7192835949400101722012-02-09T08:05:24.187+00:002012-02-09T08:05:24.187+00:00I'm heading for the SSM (I love the 'we ca...I'm heading for the SSM (I love the 'we can't have a 'non' person can we?' explanation that someone gave a while back - made me smile) side of the game shortly so will leave this for now (if you don't mind).<br /><br />Trust and pray the BAP goes well - thank you for responding to the call on your life and offerin g yourself.<br /><br />VVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-17644958005575956862012-02-08T21:37:26.648+00:002012-02-08T21:37:26.648+00:00Vic,
I've offered for SSM (New title for NSM)...Vic,<br /><br />I've offered for SSM (New title for NSM) and am shortly to go to BAP.<br /><br />My position is that I've retired from full time work. So, if recommended, and ordained, would see the role in terms of active ministry, whenever needed. And I suspect, that during curacy, it will need to be virtually be full time. Time I feel called to give, and due to a reasonable pension, it's affordable. <br /><br />It seems that for some retired Clergy, that's not the case, and HFD is a lifeline for them.<br /><br />Surely, the continuation of their ministry in HFD roles is a blessing for the church and the parishes or teams they serve in? If not, why do it?<br /><br />We have a HFD running a benefice aligned to ours. She has 4 churches and manages very well indeed. But she gives far more than the Sunday +2. <br /><br />When our benefices come together soon, our Curate will be due to move on. Leaving 1.2 people to manage the larger benefice. This is where SSM's are needed as part of ministry teams. Integrated, participating members, covering gaps, and perhaps having responsibility for one or two churches in the benefice. <br /><br />This seems to be the model in our diocese, not sure if it works that way elsewhere.<br /><br />Re-imagining church needs to look and all resources and how they are deployed - perhaps SSM's licensed to deaneries to provide essential support or cover where needed. <br /><br />The Arch Bishop a few months ago, imagined having a 'Pastor' in every community, which could be Clergy, or Lay, if the church is to continue its ministry in every community, it needs to look at and deploy options tailored to individual community needs.<br /><br />Not sure of the theology of all this, apart from 'being the church' wherever people are and need it.UKViewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114944341930758335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-71008724967625176532012-02-08T19:50:53.016+00:002012-02-08T19:50:53.016+00:00deviant element removed so that it focuses purely ...deviant element removed so that it focuses purely and simply on the HfD now.<br /><br />Aaaaah, that's better (or is it?)<br /><br />:-)Vic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-7513153474562300142012-02-08T19:48:20.633+00:002012-02-08T19:48:20.633+00:00Back to the Locally Ordained Conundrum Si.
now yo...Back to the Locally Ordained Conundrum Si.<br /><br />now you're a priest / now you're not . . . . . . <br /><br />We need to decide what we consider a priest to be and how this functions theologically, training-wise, practically and then work such that we get some perspective and balance. Oh yeah, and perhaps lay off the 'I don't like to think of someone as a non-anything so we'll call it something positive' kick too!<br /><br />But I might omit this as I don't want to touch on the locally ordained but at the mo'<br /><br />Pax<br /><br />VVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-91791093459341471332012-02-08T17:42:40.527+00:002012-02-08T17:42:40.527+00:00Not sure what you meant by "if they can swing...Not sure what you meant by "if they can swing the theology...", Vic. Can you enlighten us, please?Revsimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06723218589040920365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-24938431193030433152012-02-08T17:34:32.618+00:002012-02-08T17:34:32.618+00:00Unknown (yet known by God - an oxymoron or what?) ...Unknown (yet known by God - an oxymoron or what?) - or better still, Jonathan,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />I think this highlights one of the issues/opportunities and 'Thank You' for not seeing this as an attack (because I'm sure some might see it as such). I can understand your thinking (and need) and of course, I'm more grateful that you have brought in the 'God's will' element. I was hoping someone would and for a first hit to do so is brilliant!<br /><br />There is also the issue of 'muzzling the ox that treads the grain' but the NSM issue removes some of this but as you say, in other ways offers potential for other things.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment - all grist to the mill as I seek to try and understand where the whole HfD piece fits in a missional sense.<br /><br />VicVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-24336472175737243542012-02-08T17:27:02.629+00:002012-02-08T17:27:02.629+00:00Grrr I hate these logins that muck your entry up. ...Grrr I hate these logins that muck your entry up. Above should read God's plan! No idea why 'unknown'<br /><br />JonathanJonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03828081177715980649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-629343197420732072012-02-08T17:24:27.957+00:002012-02-08T17:24:27.957+00:00As an NSM in full time employment I have my own ho...As an NSM in full time employment I have my own house. I have thought of doing a HfD on retirement and would look to rent my house because I need to make up a big hole in my pension due to being out of work for a period some years ago, and this would help.<br /><br />Of course my plan and od's plan may not be the same!Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03828081177715980649noreply@blogger.com