tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post7331384139319400113..comments2024-03-17T09:17:01.454+00:00Comments on Vic the Vicar!: Being Collared (6) - Building the ChurchVic Van Den Berghhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-35622192523530174182014-05-24T13:52:25.213+01:002014-05-24T13:52:25.213+01:00I have to agree Jon. If I am unsure about a place ...I have to agree Jon. If I am unsure about a place I send people to the nearest equivalent. I want to maintain personal and pastoral integrity :-)<br /><br />Thanks for pointing that out,<br /><br />VVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-54089393241994677172014-05-21T13:42:04.628+01:002014-05-21T13:42:04.628+01:00Ah, RCJ, I think you might find little difference ...Ah, RCJ, I think you might find little difference ;)Soup Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-30193841758388917822014-05-20T23:51:21.303+01:002014-05-20T23:51:21.303+01:00Hmmm. I certainly have to agree with Vic over comm...Hmmm. I certainly have to agree with Vic over comment #2, but I suspect that the generosity can be taken too far. Why does someone want a church with characteristic "x"? Is it because that is a more comfortable, cosy alternative to a place where they will face the possibility of meeting with the living God? To paraphrase your joke at the end, if someone wants a church where we know, or at least suspect that they are unlikely to find the Son, with his awkward challenges to our complacency, are we fulfilling our responsibility to the Church and to that person in assiting them in finding their cosy niche?JonGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-44041085358964750222014-05-20T16:51:18.521+01:002014-05-20T16:51:18.521+01:00
Excellent idea
:-)<br />Excellent idea<br /><br />:-)Vic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-79530202754461539322014-05-20T13:14:11.529+01:002014-05-20T13:14:11.529+01:00Easy words to write when you have a flourishing ch...Easy words to write when you have a flourishing church but not so easy when you're in a small church with few people doing the work other than you.<br /><br />Perhaps we should swap churches?RCJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-27670786782121638162014-05-20T11:29:56.600+01:002014-05-20T11:29:56.600+01:00The role of leaders is - as expressed in Ephesian...The role of leaders is - as expressed in Ephesians 4 - 'to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ'<br /><br />Question is, who are the Body of Christ? Is it our own congregation solely? or the wider church?<br /><br />I am - unsurprisingly - with Vic on this one. Myopia is the curse of the church. Looking out for me and mine first and foremost does not really fit with the Gospel imperative.<br /><br />Anonymous is expressing a view, which he is allowed to do. That same freedom allows Vic to express his opinions too, especially here on his own blog, which is visited by choice and not forced on anyone. So Anonymous appears mean and foolish. He is obviously not very familiar with Anglican ministry either. Our bills are met by no-one but ourselves. Amazing how many people believe that the CofE receives money from the government and that its ministers are living in luxury with no financial cares! If only :)<br /><br />Anonymous does make a good point though, we cannot forsake our own sheep. We do need to ensure that they are fed, cared for and secure, so that they can then go out and do the works of service that God has called each of us to. (back to Eph 4)Soup Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-10628973483998787002014-05-20T09:32:32.502+01:002014-05-20T09:32:32.502+01:00Hear hear John C.
Julio.Hear hear John C.<br /><br />Julio.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-87152948849409004182014-05-20T00:31:56.013+01:002014-05-20T00:31:56.013+01:00:-)
Thanks
V:-)<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />VVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-91980404504936208212014-05-19T23:36:18.562+01:002014-05-19T23:36:18.562+01:00He He He, nice one Vicar!
Sounds like anon' i...He He He, nice one Vicar!<br /><br />Sounds like anon' is a bit of a wallie doesn't it?<br /><br />Well done for speaking the truth and thanks for a great blog.<br /><br />John CJohn Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-75289723975721039362014-05-19T23:22:24.081+01:002014-05-19T23:22:24.081+01:00Oooh, some you win and some you don't :-)
Tha...Oooh, some you win and some you don't :-)<br /><br />Thank you both for your comments<br /><br />VVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-56989248187185361102014-05-19T22:46:57.946+01:002014-05-19T22:46:57.946+01:00The pastor's first responsibility is to build ...The pastor's first responsibility is to build their own congregation. That's what they are paid for, not to do the work for other churches who can't be bothered to evangelize Nd attract others. It's fine to sit in the Church of England where you're paid and have a nice house and the bills met but when you're not that fortunate then the reality is very different.<br /><br />I'm all for building the "Church" once I have my own sheep fed, cared for and secure - until then I will give what is fitting and right, not what you decide is right.<br /><br />You build whatever you like and keep your views to yourself. You speak for no one but yourself and perhaps if you were less concerned with the wider. Church you'd have a bigger congregations yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-70188256766422263372014-05-19T20:49:46.296+01:002014-05-19T20:49:46.296+01:00Amen brother...Kingdom focus wins every time....I ...Amen brother...Kingdom focus wins every time....I blessings all roundAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com