tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post740294370447671417..comments2024-03-17T09:17:01.454+00:00Comments on Vic the Vicar!: A thorny issue: Paying your way!Vic Van Den Berghhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-36943327025895306212015-07-05T17:57:44.331+01:002015-07-05T17:57:44.331+01:00I often get a funny look when I ask people to '...I often get a funny look when I ask people to 'indulge me' but perhaps it's worth a try - usually seek them rather than sell them.<br /><br />Might catch on ;-)<br /><br />Thanks for comments all,<br /><br />VicVic Van Den Berghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09581156515370131898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-2109467224957699672015-07-04T12:10:13.824+01:002015-07-04T12:10:13.824+01:00Well done. It needs to be said. Well done. It needs to be said. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-70691081253121919392015-07-03T23:25:40.546+01:002015-07-03T23:25:40.546+01:00You could always sell indulgences.You could always sell indulgences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5366621735995057721.post-5953953995335633832015-07-02T08:49:28.776+01:002015-07-02T08:49:28.776+01:00I hope (I am sure you did) that you fought your si...I hope (I am sure you did) that you fought your side vigorously in those arguments you mentioned.<br /><br />Quick thought on the diocese: We had a discussion at our House Group this week on the local ecclesiastical bureaucracy, triggered by the not particularly enlightening experiences of a couple of our members. (As an aside, our church got some national coverage a few years ago for a major fundraiser, very positive coverage because it involved rolling our own sleeves up and not asking others for cash, which generally generates a negative impression). If people have a negative impression of diocesan bureaucracy, then they are perhaps Less likely to dip into their pockets when told how much they need to contribute.<br /><br />In a similar way, as a GP I had an argument not long ago with our practice link with the local Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). When I commented that our experience of the CCG was almost entirely negative, this person offered to take me along to their shiny new offices and show me how much hard work goes on. I countered firstly that if they had to take me to the offices for me to see evidence of what was done, it was clearly not very effective, and secondly that as the actual core NHS function of caring for patients is carried out at the practice, I felt that I was entitled to judge the CCG by what appeared from them at that interface.<br /><br />Bureaucracies may start for all sorts of good reasons, but many end up existing largely to serve themselves. When I hear things such as how the CofE is going to train its Bishops in management techniques, it does not encourage me, and I will think harder and harder about whether I want to be contributing limited resources to the diocese. I would suggest that the dioceses need to start a pr exercise, but the chances are that that would end up as most do as being about words, not actions.JonGnoreply@blogger.com