Sunday 26 November 2017

The Church of England - the Estate we're not in!

Today I was so very blessed by a service in a gem of an estate church in Hartlepool. St Mark’s church  (Clavering Road) lies at one end of a parade.  Being Christ the King (and us being up in the Northeast to think about and reflect on Fresh Expressions at the National FE Conference) we found ourselves in this little place of worship swelling the congregation to something a little shy of twenty warm and living bodies. The Sermon was competently delivered; the Eucharist done with respect and reverence; the welcome was warm and encouraging. The place was a gem and a blessing! After the service we were invited to fellowship with the regulars.


I have to say that in my travels I have experienced so many woeful expression of church which have left me saddened, unfed and, to be honest, totally depressed as the theology, liturgy and welcome was pretty poor. But St Marks was something so very different from what I have come to regard as the norm'!


At first glance it didn't look like a church - after all there's no spire and, as you can see from the image above, the yellow signage draws the eye such that you might be forgiven for thinking it's part of the shop. But on closer inspection you soon get to see that it's something a little different from the other two places on this small parade of shops. 





One serves the community by selling beers, wines and spirits, the second offers the  community the staples of life and the third, St Mark's, offers the community that surrounds it the word of God, the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and a place of Welcome, a meeting place for the community: the older folk, the parents and the children.




Looking at the geography of the estate. St Mark's and St John Vianney (RC) are well placed to make real a Christian presence in this quite sprawling housing  development and proclaim the Gospel of Christ. There's also the Central Methodist 'Estate Church' outside of this map to the Southeast. 

Here was something that had a heartbeat and yet there was something of sadness about the place. The person preaching spoke of the death of a minister and spoke of the thirty years this faithful little congregation had ministered to the people around them and the fact that this would soon end too. This stopped me in my tracks and the words of the Bishop of Burnley, the Rt Revd Philip North, warning that the Church of England was “complicit in the abandonment of the poor,” and the fact that the decline of support for the estate churches and the poorer areas would undoubtedly grow unless we took note of this and engaged in the placed where 'Jesus is not to be found' (my emphasis) continue to decline unless the bishops, diocesan staff and parish priests acted to redress this.

Now when +Phillip said this (and he heads up the CofE estate church committee and is on the executive of the National Estate Churches Network) there was much nodding and agreement - so what's going on here I wondered? How, and why is this being allowed to happen?

Imaging my surprise when I mentioned +Phillip's word to the people I was drinking tea with as it transpired that  +Phillip began his ministry in this very church (along with one other who also ended up with a pointy hat!)!!!

Let me quote +Phillip further:
“The simple and hard truth is that, in the poorest parts of the country, we are withdrawing preachers. We are seeing the slow and steady withdrawal of church life from those communities where the poorest people in our nation live.” He cited attendance figures - the proportion of people who attend an Anglican church in England was 1.7 per cent, but on estates just 0.8 per cent - and spending: 

“Nationally, we spend £8 per head of population on ministry. In some rural areas, that figure rises to £24 per head. On the estates, we spend just £5 per head — by far the lowest. The poorer you are, the less the Church values you.” 

I am saddened and disappointed to have come across this closure. I understand that it doesn't fit in with the deanery plan and undoubtedly the local purple shirt has approved the closure too - but what of those who will not find themselves able to make the journey to a new fellowship?

What of those families the Church of England is abandoning? Are we hoping the RC church or the methodists of some other fellowship or denomination will spring up to take up the challenge?

The Bible tells us that one side of a story sounds good until we hear the other side.

What I do know is that in 1960 multiple beneficed Parishes (MBP) accounted for some 17% of the incumbent bent posts - today this number is 71%. Perhaps this is the case here and what we see is the church rationalising the workload of the incumbent. Perhaps it's about Parish Share and St Mark's is one of those who having little is seeing what it has taken away (amazing how many people don't understand the stewardship and commitment to the Master in the parable of the talents, isn't it?).


But how very sad that +Phillip, championing the plight of the estate church and the poor, has the place where his words and fine sacramental ministry touched lives, thrown onto the fire :-(

Somehow feels like a bit of a disgraceful situation to me - I wonder whether this has made the local press like so many of the 'good publicity' projects that abound has? Will there be a note from the CofE in the local paper wishing the people of that area well as they close this work?

I can only sign this as saddened of Tamworth


The light shines in the darkness and it has not been overcome!


26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bold and courageous writing - just what I've come to expect from this blog site.

Thank you.

John R

Anonymous said...

Thank you - you're making me think about where I live

UKViewer said...

Philip North is a prophetic voice in the wilderness. And many dioceses are increasingly closing or merging parishes, so that places that you describe, lose not just their Vicar and local connections, but their meeting place as well.

Where I wonder are the HTB Church Planters in all of this? This is the sort of place, where their input is needed, but it seems that there intentions are really to create a parish in their own image, which attracts the wealthy and well connected, not actually ministering to those who don't fit into their mould.

My own diocese is actually taking the initiative and where vast new estates are being created in our environs, the Bishop has already reopened a city centre church with the Church Army and an incumbent teaming up as a Mission Parish, to plant and to build new Churches (with the developers) in these new estates. He is also calling on people like me, to move to these places to provide ministry and pastoral care to build the new communities - this is not an option for me, as I have enough to keep me busy for a life time terms of building community here, and the new shoots of growth and new people coming to us are beginning to appear. But we are strapped for resources, both in terms of finance and talents of individuals, to do more.

At least we share our Ministry with two local Baptist, One Methodist and One Congregational Church all in close proximity in our urban, densely populated area. We all work together and across our deanery to build those relationships and to do share the skills that allow people to always have somewhere to go, if they are in need, distressed, in debt, workless or homeless. And we thank God for that.

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Sadly, I am not sure this is the sort of church HTB (and similar church groupings) would be keen to invest in as there is a marked high church element. Perhaps Ebbsfleet might provide some support for them but the incumbent of the two church parish, being female, might make this a challenge to them too.

The answer is commitment and contribution.

Prophetic voices are great (and I work with Phillip) but they need ears to listen and hands that will take up the call,

Thanks for the posts here people.

Vic

Anonymous said...

As much as I hate to p$$$ on your party Vicar I don't reckon your post will change anything for as you rightly say, 'those with little will have it taken away.'

Mr North speaks for the bishops on estate church stuff - but this privileged bunch of people want pinups and popular not the ordinary people represented in the estates. Church is all about money and wallpapered cracks and that's why I have left it.

Unknown said...


It may be worth adding that the parish priest lives 24 hours a day in the midst of community significantly more challenged than that around this church. She operates a foodbank from her vicarage and last week her husband was threatened at knife point by a local man who she had helped. The local community have made it clear how diseased they are by this as they clearly see her as 'one of us'

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Thanks for the comments - all grist to the mill.

Will add her and her family to my prayer list.

Thanks,

V

Anonymous said...

So the parish priest has a vicarage in the middle of a 'more challenged' area than that where the church is being closed.

So the parish priest operates a foodbank.

So her husband was threatened.

So the community around her are 'diseased'

How does this relate to the church in question?

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Hmm

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

having edited, deleted and gone away to think perhaps we need to catch our breath for a moment and look at what we have here for, as 'anon' correctly says, this is about theSt Mark's and their closing (which saddened me enough to post about it). Having sanitised anonymous' post (please be a little more gentle please people) the point he/she makes are relevant in that at the end of the day there is no attack on anyone and also no need to divert attention away from the point in question (so I've now included the points made by a deleted post too).

Here we have an estate church (apparently a better off estate church than the other in the parish) but it is still an estate church and the removal of this worshipping presence leaves a large space apparently abandoned (other than the RC and the more distant Methodist presence) and will result in not just a loss of any witness but the end of some being able to regularly worship elsewhere.

The reality is that this is what +Phillip has, and is, speaking about (the next LYCIG conference being a place to go hear it) and the loss of a church is real. What will the reason be?

Financial? Isn't is always these days?

Staffing?

Churchmanship?

Location?

An unlucky toss of the dice?

Not sure at the moment. This wasn't posted to stir the brown stuff and throw it at the fan - it's an expression of pain and a wondering where hope might be found in all this?

because isn't hope what we deal in as Christians?

Anonymous said...

Hope is exactly what we have but this is in Christ and not the woefully inadequate senior staff and their favoured shepherds.

You're trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.

Commitment to the estate churches and the poor is shown to be hollow as the pointing to an even worse estate is used to divert attention from the poor stewardship and management of those in authority.

Stuff them!

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised to read Bishop Marks comment that the vicar lives 24 hours a day in the community....is that not exactly what she is called to do. Sad she hasn't been to this little gem of a church to hold a Eucharistic service for well over three years !!!@

RJW said...

Perhaps they're too afraid to leave the other church! As someone who serves an estate church I too live 24hr days in the place I minister and it is a place of violence, addiction, poverty and theft but still I manage to serve the other churches in my patch. Not a helpful comment.

Is Mark Bryan the bishop to this church then?

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Just back and able at last to post a comment on today’s comments.

Whatever we might think, this must not turn into something that wounds others. It’s good to be frank and to nail our colours to the mast without equivocation, but please do it with kindness and love.

Thanks,

V

Anonymous said...

Could RJW please clarify which comment was not helpful

RJW said...

Many of us live in places of hardship, deprivation and danger. This has nothing to do with the closure of one of two churches, this is just a statement of fact and is a distraction intent on muddying the waters and avoiding the situation surrounding a church being closed.

To claim the closing church is better off than the other in the parish does not remove the fact that it is being closed but attempts to distract us by claiming to be supporting the poorer at the expense of the richer. Well done, the poor are being catered for -- and those in the better off estate, what of them and their needs?

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts.

I work in an estate setting and am therefore also present on a 24hr a day basis. That is, as has been said in the comments, the lot of the estate church minister. It can be tough, especially when one 'lives over the shop' and it's not uncommon to have people at your door during the early hours of the morning. I've been threatened, assaulted and more besides so I know the potential stresses and have sympathy with the incumbent.

I am assuming that the issue here has nothing to do with the incumbent, although their absence from Mark's is a bit of a puzzle, it could be that is it about 'not abandoning the poor' - favouring them at the cost of another congregation - because like positive discrimination; anything that discriminates against another is surely wrong.

I notice no one has mentioned money as the reason and wonder who has been servicing the needs of this congregation if the incumbent truly has been absent.

I'm glad I posted this, and I did so out of a sense of pain on my part and on the part of those present last Sunday. As a missioner I am always looking for opportunities to make Christ known and last week hurt.

Thank you all for your comments and contributions. my apologies to those I have removed or edited and replaced to remove some of the contentious elements. Please continue to contribute if there is anything of worth to be added - regardless of the situation, it is always good to dialogue.

Pax

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

And don't forget to pray for all who are affected by this situation

:-)

Anonymous said...

As I prepare to leave for my church today I had the thought, 'Has anyone told +Burnley about this situation'

With the words he uses and the history he has in that place I would have thought he'd be on there case.

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Yep,

Passed the link and situation on to Him when I first posted this.

:-)

Anonymous said...

Can I ask what he has said about this situation please?

Anonymous said...

As someone in the diocese I am going to say a few painful things as this church have effectively been going it alone for many years now. Many of us work in tough areas and live in the patch, for twenty four hours a day. Many of us have difficult times and while we are valued by some places more than others, we serve all those within our parish and beyond without prejudice and at a cost to ourselves and our families. we do all this knowing what we take on and understanding that the bishops and other senior clergy are despite their words and posing generally unsympathetic. It is a sad situation but the bishop seeks to excuse it by pointing to the poorer church being left and the workload of the priest. What more do you expect?

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

I understand the frustrations.

It's always sad when we close a church and this situation is no different. It's a shame that there are tensions and obvious divisions in evidence here. I've no knowledge of the senior clergy in the place but it's sad that many of those ministering feel that support is often reduced to fine words and poor action.

So I will continue to pray for the people of St Marks, their incumbent and the pointy hats what lives there :-)

Happy Wednesday,

Vic

Anonymous said...

Any news on this?

Anonymous said...

Last service took place on 4th March. Quite a few people attended. A said time after 30 years. Church is closed.

Vic Van Den Bergh said...

Thank you for the information - very sad news indeed :-(