What is sure is that the bloke has not started a sixty year war and that he neither promotes any true Christian viewpoint or any element of Biblical teaching in what he believes. He voices anger against his own nation's cultural, political and societal standards which were (in his view) fuelling the spectre of a growing Islamic population (and power) and many other issues besides.
I haven't seen any photographs of the bloke wearing a mitre or a dog-collar, neither has I seen images of him carrying a Bible but there one of him dressed as a Mason! Perhaps the headlines should be mentioning this rather than the Christian bit!
Mind you, it might be worthwhile pointing out that Jones and Sapp appear to have helped sow the seeds that flowered in the death of so many innocents with their brand of Islamaphobic self-promoting tosh!
So, when someone mentions this tragic happening and uses the word 'Christian' would you kindly point out that this doesn't appear to match up with the accounts of his writings - it's just the result of lazy and inadequate journalists (and perhaps also the result of some spin on their part too!) If they want a label, tell them 'Brevik is a nationalist extremist' (nuff said?)
Pax
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Some thoughts about grouping people together.
Don't think you can be a mason and a fundamental Christian!
Nuff said!
Sorry, that was in response to Gordon's post (which sadly I have deleted due to the language and ad hominems)
Try again and perhaps you'll be able to have your say.
Thanks,
V
I don't think Brevik is insane. I have read his manifesto and frankly it makes perfect sense.
I most certainly do not condone his actions; they are abhorrent and a far cry from what I would define as 'Christian', but his writings depict those of an individual with his ducks in a perfect row. In short, they make sense.
Respectfully dear reader, there are Christians and there are 'Christians' (I'd like to read your definition of a 'fundamental Christian' Vic).
As one who is of the Christian belief himself, I am sick to death of pussy-footing around in fear of offending islamic (sic) doctrine and apologizing for the Crusades.
I think stones are being thrown here.
Anders Brevik is not insane, but in one way I hope he is eventually labelled as being so, then perhaps the powers that be will be a little more lenient on him.
Scott
Having read some of the man's writings I do see some joined up thinking and the thesis statement, being based on world conquest by Islam, will indeed find favour with many. The key is that what the man did to promote and promulgate his theories was, however one looks at it, barking mad and in this ad hominem ridde world, will negate his position and call into question all of his thinking.
Having worked around the mentally ill (a bit) I often found that the more barking mad someone was the more eloquent and lucid their arguments and reasoning was - problem was that it developed logically from something that was skewed or flawed!
I hope they don't go down the 'insane' route but travel along the terrorist track - that way he'll be dealt with seriously and contained for a greater length of time where he can do himself, and others, no more harm.
Pax
According to his own websites, he's a fundamentalist Christian. Obviously a monstrous person, but that doesn't disqualify him from being religious.
Having read some of his stuff I'd agree he is 'religious' but 'religious' usually denies what being Christian is and puts him (in my opinion) in the very same category as those he rails against.
There are many who call themselves fundamentalist and these are the same people who deny Christ by burning Korans, preaching hatred, sending awful images through the post and more besides. Many of the thongs that surround the man show him to be very far from Christian.
He could claim he was a Kipper but of course he wouldn't be one. The Christian fundamentalist label merely means he's an extremist and his writings demonstrate that he's actually a nationalist.
And some of his views are quite accurate and will strike a chord with many, which is exactly why a house painter came to power in the last century.
Thanks for comments
Pax
The only difference between anders and your average foxnews rightwing islamophobe is that he killed kids in norway instead of murdering people in the middle east where it seems to be sanctioned.
and that scott character who commented is just like anders they have exactly the same racist world view just as many other neanderthal fuxx.
There are many out there who are exactly like the bloke and some use Islam as their excuse, or reason, for their beliefs. Some veil it in pseudo-religious talk, burning Korans and the like, others talk about their (US) government and taxes, liberals and many other issues.
The problem is that whilst few do a Brevik many are on the same road got a number if reason but with the same terminus awaiting them should mental, social or some other so entreat them.
As for Scott, not sure where he lives and what his experiences are but they are no different from many who live in the shadows of others across this, and many other a, nation. Concern-making rather but no more or less than the spectre of radicalised others from whatever faith.
Thanks again
V
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